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  • Reading: matthew reilly - area 7
After posting my 'man cave' collage picture of my new den, people were largely horrified and shocked to see that there was no tablet, cintiq or what have you on my desk. No, dear readers, I... wait for it.... colour with.... a ... (*whispers*) ...mouse!!!!

*Pauses for a moment while everyone takes an inward gasp suddenly*

Now I *do* actually have a tablet. A few years ago I bought a little 4x5 Wacom Graphire for $100 thinking that this was the bees-knees and that because everyone else had one, so must I.

I gave it a shot and man... what a disaster. I could barely select a freakin' tool with it properly much less do much colouring as I tried to co-ordinate everything, so after a few hours I put it away and went back to the mouse for another year or so. I've pulled it out now and then to give it another shot but with largely the same results.

So I tried it again tonight after watching :icontoolkitten: generally kick-ass with her intuous as usual the other night. It took me 30 minutes to colour a section of a leg (on a velocity cover by ken rocafort and :icondevgear: btw...) with the wacom, with less than satisfactory results and then I made a new layer and did the same thing with my usual skill and brilliance (:P ) in 5 minutes!

So I simply don't understand WHY everyone insists that a tablet is the way to go. I think they suck majorly and are more trouble than they're worth. I tried colouring like Nei with a layer set to screen mode with the wacom but can't for the life of me get it to do what she does. I have no idea how to set up the pen and brush. I went back to normal mode and tried the usual gradients and style that I colour with but using the wacom and had some success but it was sooo slow that I'd still be colouring this picture 3 months from now if I kept it up.

Now don't tell me that Oh, you've just got to stick with it and give it a chance... That doesn't help. I want to know how the frack you're meant to use this thing otherwise it can go in the drawer forever! Until then, it's mouse-power for me. Sure it takes more layers and a hell of a lot more clicking and selecting of stuff and overall (assuming I could use the wacom) it's slower but stuff that. I work just fine with it.

/end rant
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:icontannerwiley:
~tannerwiley Oct 3, 2011  Professional General Artist
I was shocked sure, that you didn't have one. But also, I don't care how anyone works as long as what they are doing works for them.

As to tablets and the inevitable Cintiq's: the quality of the device also matters. I don't believe the "graphire" series is all that good. My first real tablet (not counting the crappy little Wacom 4x5 a previous employer got all the artists one time - god that thing was horrid) was a 6x9 Wacom Intuos 3. I bought it used for 20 bucks just after the Intuos 4's came out and I found it to be amazing - not for drawing but for color. Then I found my Cintiq 18SX used and I was done - coloring and now I do all my linework there as well, having mostly dropped doing art on paper completely. Now the Wacom 24 is coming out and I desperately want 2500$ to get one. But that will take a while - and not to mention the waiting list to get them.

Personally I could never go back to a tablet again, having had a Cintiq. But they are more affordable to be sure. Cintiq's are very hardcore. And that's my thing. I know that Freddie Williams II uses a tablet to draw and not a Cintiq and to me that's amazing because when I draw I have to see it like it's paper.
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~fullname Oct 2, 2011   Traditional Artist
Well, if you achieve great results and satisfaction with the mouse, I don't see why you should leave the "old" way for the "new" just because everybody go with Intuos and Cintiq :)
I don't know how you can have such high precision, by the way. A couple of evenings ago I decided to give some flats to my Finch Dark Knight inks. I first tried with mouse but it took forever and I was getting terribly nervous because I can't do a proper mask or color... >_<
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~JOEYDES Oct 2, 2011   General Artist
I don't know if anyone else commented this, but the Graphire is an older tablet. There was a lag between stylus and action. The newer tablets are nil in the lag department. It's just a matter of learning a new tool. It might take more than an hour or so, but the benefits are ridiculous. I'm not sure if it affects a colorist much, but the pressure sensitivity alone is way more than a mouse can do.
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:iconimafrakkincylon:
I, too, feel that you're selling yourself short by not converting over.

It's a little to do with how much easier your 'cuts' can be with a tablet - though this takes time, and a far more accurate tablet than you have, maybe.

It's more to do with pen pressure and the weight of your hand when you apply the color. THIS is where a tablet can really shine for coloring, as you can gradually build up the level of shine you want on your characters, without having to resort to extra layers, layer modes, etc.

You have to set your brushes to the sort of modes that take advantage of that - under your options, things like "shape dynamics" set to pen pressure give you finer control over details and the shape of your brush as you paint. My personal favorite is setting up "other = opacity jitter" to "pen pressure". This gives you that gradual build up (and is why a lot of us paint in screen mode right on top of our flats - the screen color gradually builds up highlights and is additive).

There are a few of your pieces in a few places where I feel the highlight is far too opaque, too solid, or not really quite the right weight to be the sort of highlight that would best work with the piece. A pen tablet would greatly help in these areas.

All of that said, it requires patience and a little bit of time to get used to it. You can play with some of the settings in your graphire to change how sensitive the pen is and things, how much of the tablet is actually active. All of these things might help you transition over.

It's up to you whether you want to reach for higher than you already are or just stick with what you know works. Good luck either way!
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*SeanE Oct 1, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I haven't the slightest idea how to change the settings for the wacom or in photoshop for that matter to do that.
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:iconimafrakkincylon:
The settings I'm talking about in photoshop are in the brush settings for each individual brush.

The settings for your wacom tablet can be accessed from the system tray - there should be an icon there if you installed the software, which I recommend doing.

Hope this helps!
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*markkarvon Oct 1, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Different strokes for different folks. You get some wicked results with the mouse. Why fix it if it isn't broken. I myself bought the same little $100 Wacom 5 years ago and it changed my life. I did my first digital painting and haven't gone back to the old oils ever since. For me, it brough the fun back into the art process.
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~benzod32 Oct 1, 2011  Professional General Artist
I colored for the first few years with my mouse till I forked over the money for my Wacom 9x12 and it took me a FULL Month to get even as fast as I was with a mouse. But now I am easily three times as fast with the wacom as with a mouse, and its WAY easier. I could never go back to a mouse now. You just have to spend the time retraining your self how to color. Its like how someone that plays guitar Normally sucks balls at Guitar hero!
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*Eddy-Swan Oct 1, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
when I make my selection cuts with a mouse I use point to point lasso 'click, click, click, click, click, click etc' . when I do them with a tablet I can do it free hand lasso style. with the key board on the other side I can use my free hand to alternate between tools by using G' for gradient, l' for lasso, and b' for brush etc.

took me a week to get used to using a wacom over a mouse, it went into the drawer and back out again, repeatedly. it took me a while to use it optimally but I cant even bare the thought of going back to mouse coloring. it also allows for the opportunity to vary style by doing more painterly rendering.

its a more versitile tool for the purpose of art, the mouse is very limited. but, if a floppy drive can be made to play the imperial march [link] I dont see why you cant use a mouse to color.
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:iconsierra120:
Unfortunately, I lack the technical and artistic knowledge required to do anything relating to anything. In saying that, I feel all technology [even the computer that I'm using to type this response] is in actual fact, which-craft.
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